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  1. Commercial premises have to undertake fire safety drills on a regular basis. How often is this done for residential blocks?

  2. Commercial building at least every 12 months.
    High rise difficult building every 3 months and review as necessary.

  3. Re John Reynolds comment
    In this instance it is fortunate that no fire drills were carried out. If they had been the residents would have been told “on hearing the alarm close the front door and stay in your flat until the fire brigade escort you to safety”.
    The terrible death toll would be even worse had those who escaped followed this instruction.

  4. Seeing the awful news footage and pictures yesterday morning, it was immediately evident that whatever the initial cause, the external cladding was forming chimneys up the sides of the building. It’s for that reason it’s essential to avoid flammable materials in such cavities, and to install adequate cavity barriers and firestopping to limit spread between floors and adjacent compartments. It’s reported that timber fixings were used – on the outside of a 20-storey block. Never mind the fire implications, which have been made obvious to all, what about CDM? How can anyone in this day and age justify putting timber on the outside of a high-rise block? An organic material, it will need more frequent inspection than a material specifically designed for durability. How will these extra inspections be undertaken safely? Without endangering the inspectors or third parties at ground level? What about the works needed for its earlier replacement? Madness on commercial grounds alone, even without the fire implications. Today, all owners and residents must be asking, “What about MY block?” Independant inspections need to be immediate, competent, and thorough. And on record. Video archives of inspections should be considered standard.

  5. I can’t comprehend how a fire of this magnitude can take hold in such a short space of time and result in such catastrophic damage, loss of life and injury not to mention the huge effect on innocent people’s lives my heart goes out to those poor people.
    It is a sad inditement on the consctruction sector which I am a part of.
    The building has recently been refurbished, surely in this day and age that would have been the ideal time to have installed the latest fire prevention technology (sprinklers) and alarm system.
    What about dry risers and compartmentation to reduce the spread of fire and to enable fire fighters to deal effectively with the fire?

  6. I’m sure the fire services investigation will find the causes and from what the media are reporting it sounds like there are quite a few contributing factors.

    As mentioned previously perhaps the cavity fire barriers were insufficient, maybe even not installed at all.

    Although likely, everyone is pointing at the cladding, not saying it didn’t contribute, I have always been skeptical of polystyrene as insulation, however as the building has recently had a major upgrade meaning other factors could have played in the spread of the fire.

    Moving forward however to new projects, something often considered as an expensive ‘fix’ or after-thought are fire suppression systems such as sprinklers and misting systems, these save lives even if the building is ultimately destroyed. Consider the volume of building materials used in a single installation which emit toxic fumes when heated. Smoke often kills before the fire does.

    Let’s hope the fire service and building experts get to the bottom of this and work with the construction industry towards a solution where a building fire doesn’t end up in a loss of life such as this.

  7. It’s still much too early to make judgments, as the full details are not yet available. ‘Stay put’ policies are used widely in such buildings, and are a joint decision between the Fire Brigade and the Landlord.

    While the cladding is clearly a major line of enquiry for investigators, we also need to remember that there is ongoing research into the spread of flame up the outside of high rise buildings.

    There are similar aspects in this fire, the tragedy at Lakanal House, and the recent fire at Shepherd’s Court in Shepherd’s Bush, but fundamentally, each of those occurrences remains unique and there is no direct linkage between them; equally, there is no silver bullet solution to prevent those three events.

    While this is a tragedy, the most important thing is to wait for the findings, learn the lessons, and then for everyone in the industry to ensure that this should never happen again.

    Probably the most important aspect is that the Judicial Inquiry should be given an accelerated time frame, and that the Council should be provided with the wherewithal to take immediate actions in order to provide information to the inquiry, and bring in the necessary experts, without having to wait for insurers and other side issues.

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