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H&S: does our house of cards still stack up?

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  1. I was a site manager for over 20 years until I moved into aftersales. All my certificates have ran out and I don’t need them renewed due to my job now. But if I had to cover a site surely my experience over the years should be enough to make me legally ok to manage a site without the paperwork which would not make me a more safety aware better manager

  2. I have just recently completed a HND in Construction, part of the course was to complete assignments in great detail to academic level 5.

    This level and the work I completed was to the same standard and involved the same content as the SMSTS, yet it has no accreditation nor connection to and H&S once completed in the industry.

    This means that as I funded the course myself, at a higher cost thanks to the governments increases; that now I have to fork out more money to gain CSCS status and also more money to gain SMSTS status, just to get a glimpse of recognition.

  3. I’m in a similar position as Dr Billy Hare’s father in law….. I was operating as a ‘real’ subcontractor when grandfather rights were being handed out to anyone in my field that applied for them….. It mainly meant these were the ones who worked for the one company; so the company applied in their behalf. We’ve been using green cards since 2001. Now CSCS Ltd has decided that green cards are to be used by labourers only and not construction site operatives. As grandfather rights were revoked quickly it remains that I am in no man’s land but have over 30 years experience in my trade and am very much more proficient than many with the gold cards. The quicker this abhorrent mess is dealt with the better. CSCS Ltd …. What a crock of money raking mush this really is!

  4. The original objective of CSCS was to allow access to sites to only those with certifiable ‘skills’ – a commendable albeit narrow aspiration. Dazzled perhaps by the fabulous income potential CSCS lacked the foresight to conceive that there might be a need to allow onto sites those not possessing what it defined skills -among consultant’s teams, client representatives etc. CSCS only latterly created the classification of Professionally Qualified Person after protracted negotiations with the professional institutions – evidently napping throughout CSCS’ lengthy and tortuous evolution. Reading between the rhetoric in the March edition of CM, professionalism and its representatives appear also to have been trumped by UKCG.

    As I reflect on joining the queue for the construction manager role (behind the forklift driver and office admin who have SMSTS certs) I wonder in these straitened times if the GBP286 subscription I remitted was the best employment of the funds. It could have gone towards a must-have SMSTS course with its 97%-assured pass rate.

    In the April edition I’d like to read where the CIOB has gotten to in asserting its membership’s credibility within the industry it purports to represent construction professionals in.

  5. In order to combat the culture of “SMSTS is fine” I feel it is the responsibility of UKCG to clearly outline a comprehensive list of suitable national qualifications that support competence in the construction (safety) sector.

    A four day IOSH and five day SMSTS is simply a minimum threshold. If a site manager has spent 150 hours studying and then applying skills from a NEBOSH construction certtificate it’s not really hard to evaluate which can be more effective.

    SMSTS focus has been on exam pass marks in this article and I must stress in the interests of fairness that this is not the sole criteria to pass the course. The SMSTS programme requires assessments of each candidate on mock projects throughout the training which bring together experience in the training room from construction manager veterans of 10 years plus. That is where I feel the value of SMSTS really lies.

    A national qualification is a reasonable way forward but I also feel significant experience should be a (perhaps more difficult but possible) method of demonstrating competence.

  6. CSCS is no longer fit for purpose. I am a blue card Slinger, an IPAF holder, A holder of an SMSTS card and 3 days of first aid. As someone who is self employed I have to pay for my own training. I have approached CSCS on several occasions regarding the fact that I have completed an NVQ to move from the CPCS A40 Red to Blue card and therefore surely I should be able to upgrade my CSCS Gen Ops card. After several incorrect answers from CSCS they have actually now agreed they do not recognise the same NVQ as CITB were only to happy to accept. CSCS does not list Slinger as a Trade and to become a site manager I now have to complete an NVQ level 6 at a probable cost of £1200 or more. CSCS have become a money making machine after watching CITB introduce the NVQs to progress, a typical example of this is that CSCS will now only list one skill on a card and for people with multiple skills / trades this is rather pointless. CSCS needs to address its purpose and direction swiftly otherwise many will in time exit the UK Construction Industry.

  7. Cscs is not the holy grail it was sold as. I have a black card on grandfather rights which I have had 20 years. No one told me they were dismissing this right….despite them having all my contact details. I am now fighting them to get the card despite being under 6 months from the card expiring. I hold an smsts…which is far more valid and relevant but now can’t get work despite an impeccable works record. My employment is at risk for a not legal card! The system is a joke!

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