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  1. I agree with the comments of Michael Whittall. In line with Europe, Chartered Building Engineer will be more appropriate than Chartered Construction Manager, but since The Building Engineers in England have now been Chartered, there is nothing we can do than to accept Chartered Construction Manager

  2. I 100% agree with Michael Whittal’s comments. I hope and plead that the proposal is not rushed through, but given thorough thought. Other institutions like the ICE have a title designation after the chartered membership (MICE, CENG) for the technically qualified.

    I would propose Building Construction Engineer (BldCENG) after the title MCIOB for those who have technical qualifications.

    I found myself marginalised and actually told by my organisation to obtain chartered membership with the ICE, otherwise my CIOB subscription will not be re-imbursed by the company. I had an interview with the ICE to explore my options and found the assessor’s view of the CIOB as degrading. In her opinion, the CIOB is not an institution accredited by the Engineering Council. As Michael Whittal put it, all other professional institutions retain specific designation to technical expertise as essential to add prestige to the membership. I am afraid our institution has got to sort this out fast, as many members might migrate to other institutions, given circumstances like mine. Technically, I am a Civil and Building Engineer. I joined the membership of the CIOB beacuse I deal with building projects and structures, but I found myself marginalised in my organisation and rated lower than ICE members.

    I am not sure with Lee Kyson’s comments, but I have great respect for those members who have built up a lot of experience not through academic or technical qualifications, but through hard work in the the industry, for which Construction Manager would be perfectly suitable for them. What I don’t agree with in his comments is that we who manage sites and projects are not just managing processes as he describes it, but are actually engineering them at the same time. We communicate with designers and arhitects throughout the life of a project through “Technical Queries or Request For Information” tools. For that reason, nearly over 50% of projects are designed by engineers working at the forefront of things like us.

    I would encourage those members who feel like me to join the debate so that a better and suitable title is agreed, even if for different levels to go after the MCIOB.

  3. In my humble opinion ‘manager’ says what it is – Manager – most of us ‘manage’ processes, we do not ‘engineer’ them in an engineering sense. If a potential client is going to search for relevant professionals i.e. engineer (chartered or not) –surely he is going to expect someone who is more aligned to engineering? They are going expect an ‘Engineer’ not someone who will manage processes or consult with them, as I believe most of us do i.e. consultants, project / site manager, CDM co-ordinator etc….. I can’t see how Chartered Construction Professional would work either, it encompasses too much and is too vague, and would you advertise yourself as such? People / clients look for architects, engineers, project / site managers etc. not CCP’s. I’ve just upgraded to ICIOB, will hopefully be MCIOB in a few weeks and have pre-registered my interest for Chartered Construction Manager so I’ll be happy with Chartered Builder and CCM, it says what I am and what I do which is what potential clients expect to find.

  4. I like this new title. My ‘ Master Builder ‘ is inelegantly Ibsenian rather than Brunellian and wasn’t ‘Engineer’ thrown out by the PC .
    Let’s all register as Chartered Construction Managers .

  5. I think the title Manager is of lower ranking and would suggest Chartered Construction Professional similar to CQI that use the title Chartered Quality Professional.

  6. I have already indicated my misgiving in an email to the CE. I believe the term ‘Manager’ is viewed with less and less respect in the media, and generally. Other professional institutions still retain a specific reference to technical expertise as the first essential (Structural, Civil, etc, etc.) Surely a title such as Building or Construction ENGINEER would have greater prestige!

    Michael Whittall F (Retd).

  7. Will the new designation commence on the original date of incorporation or a new date from March 2014?

  8. … or what about the elegantly superior (if slightly Brunellian) title ‘Master Builder’?

  9. I found those common words that used in the construction industries as profession.

    Of the opinion, I am suggesting “accredited construction manager” would sound better and respected

    Regards

  10. I would favour Chartered Building Professional.

  11. Perhaps this has more to do with ongoing discussions with CMAA (Construction Management Association of America) than any real research or discussions and their CCM designation? Is this a turnaround from http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/ciob-chartered-institute-of-building/article/ciob-calls-on-construction-professionals-to-challenge-wikipe

  12. Having successfully passed the Professional Review, every full member is a construction professional. Again with the recent UK NARIC accreditation of MCIOB status to be slightly below Masters, I think the most appropriate designation should be ‘Chartered Construction Professional’ and not ‘Manager’

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